Originally Posted by Mysterial

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Oh, and there's the farmers. Here's a news flash for you guys, too: The world does not revolve around you; Arenanet was most likely trying to be the good guys and fix something lots of people complained about and couldn't care less about how it affects your farming either way. Try using a little bit of your brain and figure out a new way to farm instead of crying like spoiled children.

Did I get it all?

Originally Posted by DeathDealer

Circulation is what keeps prices down...no circulation=higher prices...

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

WOW maybe the most amount of posts in one day in one single thread EVAR!!

Since MOST if not ALL of the comments are targeting these two update changes... ...here are my incites for the good and bad::

The Good First::

1. Forces people to stop relying on the same old builds.
2. Forces people to learn more about the dynamics of GW gameplay.
3. Enforces a stronger idea of community through lowered amounts of mindless killing (i.e. Nuking, etc), which in turn forces parties to talk more, strategize(sp?), and plan.
4. Increase in Henchmen AI is never a bad thing!

The Bad::

1. Succesfully eliminates efficient farming, causing huge detriments to the economy.
2. Due to decrease in farming efficiency, an increase in cost for ALL items from rare materials to rare items will occur.
3. The whole game has now shifting into the hands of GW veterans, with heavy change in AI, AND ecnomy, new players will easily become discouraged from playing.
4. Due to heavy increase in all economy trades/sales, new players will have no way of participating in the GW trade community due to incredibly high starting costs.
5. Many veteran/bored players, who now play only to farm, no longer have motivation to play, and therefore GW loses more player base.
6. Summation:: Those specific two update changes are going to hurt the GW community through loss of new player base and loss of veteran player base. It also will BADLY change the trade community in the near future as farmers realize how much their efficiency has dropped.

EDIT:: Looks like many have already touched on what i am talking about here. So we can all agree this will possibly hurt the GW player base, and therefore hurt the game economy, and the update will already inflate economy prices so the player base is at risk of decreasing, which will increase the economy problems, which will, ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC... obviously, Anet has some thinking to do...

I was trying to remain as subjective as possible, and NON-elitist as possible. I will be the first to admit i do farm on an occasional basis, but like all games with an economy system, they are needed. Elitists will say, "Oh, these changes are good! No more noob tactics or over-farming!" But like i said in the "bad list" online games NEED new players all the time, Anet has now made this game on the verge of being new player HOSTILE!! I understand that Anet wants to keep this game interesting and therefore goes to great efforts to make things "better", but it seems that in the last few months, they have not consulted their marketing department or any other authority on such matters. I think Anet needs to be more careful on changes that they make, because before they know it, their player base will become close to nothing.

If you took the time to read all that, keep in mind this is ALL my OPINION. If you disagree, then argue my points with validity, not flaming. And, i am a veteran player, so i am not speaking out of my arse.

1.2.3....continue!!

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

The Bad::

1. The whole game has now shifting into the hands of GW veterans, with heavy change in AI, AND ecnomy, new players will easily become discouraged from playing.
2. Summation:: Those specific two update changes are going to hurt the GW community through loss of new player base and loss of veteran player base. It also will BADLY change the trade community in the near future as farmers realize how much their efficiency has dropped.

Originally Posted by calamitykell

You don't actually have to use firestorm to kill them all

Originally Posted by IncrediStud

You win the best post of the year. If only they had a Nobel prize for this...

Originally Posted by Zoolooman

This is the former case. Things weren't broke, yet this patch unnecessarily "fixed" an entire class of PvE-oriented attacks. Face it, most area of effect spells are shit. They have huge energy costs, deal minor damage, and take forever to cast and kill. They were only effective because they hit multiple targets, all of which stayed and kept taking damage.

But they aren't effective now. Sure, the cheap AoEs make the enemies move around and waste time, but it's not long before that oversight will be patched, and then what? After that, where will AoE spells be useful? In time, people will realize that there are better ways of dealing damage, most of them involving hexes, conditions, and direct strikes on singular targets. They will abandon the nerfed AoE spells, to the detriment of the game's variety and scope.

Originally Posted by Adam Scarrott

Just like the griffions with balth's aura on you

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

but really forget the monster's and hench AI. Where is my pet AI damn it. Its the last in line. henches and have been improved or tweaked twice and monsters once or twice. Pets are still in the stone age. If anet is serious about bringing beast mastery weapons then you really need to improve the pets.